When a New York couple bought a medical insurance plan from a telemarketer, they thought it lined all the things they wished: physician visits, exams, and drugs. However then got here the surprising payments for 1000’s of {dollars}, forcing them to skip essential medical care.
Of their collection “Well being Care Hustlers,” Bloomberg reporters Zachary Mider and Zeke Fake revealed how this couple and 1000’s of different individuals signed up for well being plans by unknowingly agreeing to work pretend “jobs.”
Mider and Fake be a part of “An Arm and a Leg” host Dan Weissmann to peel again the stunning layers of this story, from a TV-sitcom-writer-turned-investor who masterminded the thought to the authorized grey space that enables these plans to proliferate.
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Transcript: A Wild Well being Insurance coverage Hustle
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Dan: Hey there—
This story’s define might sound acquainted, however what’s beneath — what we unravel right here: It’s a brand new type of factor. And it’s bizarre.
And it might change into enormous.
So: A pair from New York, Sarah and Joe Strohmenger began new companies, in order that they wanted to purchase their very own medical insurance for the primary time..
And Sarah says the New York state market, with Obamacare plans, appeared a bit dangerous: In the event that they bought a subsidy, after which their new companies did nicely, they could must pay that subsidy again.
Sarah Strohmenger: As new enterprise homeowners, we had not a clue of how a lot we have been gonna make within the yr.
So we have been nervous about. How a lot we have been gonna must again pay.
Dan: Wanting elsewhere appeared like a cautious factor to do. Google led them to a web site that supplied quotes for insurance coverage insurance policies — simply enter your cellphone quantity. They began getting calls from telemarketers, plenty of them, and finally they picked a plan one in every of them supplied.
Sarah and Joe thought they have been being moderately cautious. In any case, Insurance coverage is a regulated enterprise.
Sarah Strohmenger: We’re pondering it’s monitored. We had no clue that this was type of like a free for all.
Dan: In order you’ve in all probability already guessed: Fairly rapidly, and really painfully, Sarah and Joe discovered that they’d been hustled.
Nevertheless it took a pair of reporters from Bloomberg Information to uncover the character of that hustle.
Zach Mider: There’s this type of new breed of individuals providing well being plans to the general public that aren’t, um, not insurance coverage corporations in any respect,
Dan: That’s a type of Bloomberg reporters, Zach Mider. As Zach and his reporting companion Zeke Fake revealed, this telemarketer had — on paper — made Joe an worker of an organization he’d by no means heard of till these reporters advised him about it.
And in line with the authorized principle beneath all of this, making Joe a sure type of worker allowed the salesperson to promote Joe an insurance coverage plan so skimpy that— as Zach and Zeke’s story says — it will “usually be unlawful.”
Zach Mider says these sorts of plans presently function in a authorized gray space, with no one regulating it — not states, not the feds.
Zach Mider: So it truly is simply type of this bizarre authorized vacuum the place, you recognize, market actors are free to type of leap in and begin attempting to do that.
Dan: Which, Zach says, they appear to be doing, increasingly.
Zach Mider: It appears just like the numbers are taking pictures up
Dan: Of their Bloomberg story, Zach and Zeke cite tons of of complaints to the FTC from individuals who have been bought these sorts of well being plans.
Additionally they write about assembly the man who appears to have invented these plans — a former TV sitcom author who they are saying really believes he’s fixing an essential drawback.
Their reporting — in a collection known as “Well being Care Hustlers” — exhibits one thing else too:
How every hustle will get created by a sequence of legally-distinct operators — a few of them really working utterly independently of one another — and the way, by being only one hyperlink in a sequence, every operator can say:
“I used to be simply doing a very legit factor. It’s not my fault if another man is shady.”
Mainly: These tales are displaying us, extra clearly than I’ve ever seen, what we’re up towards after we take a name from any individual who says they’ve bought an amazing insurance coverage plan for us.
And it’s a very wild journey. Right here we go.
That is An Arm and a Leg, a present about why well being care prices so freaking a lot, and what we are able to perhaps do about it. I’m Dan Weissmann. I’m a reporter, and I like a problem. So the job we’ve chosen right here is to tackle some of the enraging, terrifying, miserable components of American life — and convey you one thing entertaining, empowering and helpful.
To begin, right here’s how unhealthy issues bought for Sarah and Joe Strohmenger.
As they knew: They wanted good medical insurance. They’ve bought pre-existing situations.
As an example, Joe takes drugs that Sarah says prices 1500 {dollars} a month. And he’s bought a benign mind tumor and has a physician monitoring it.
Sarah Strohmenger: That physician was an important physician as a result of it’s a physician you’ll be able to’t afford with out medical insurance.
Dan: Sarah says the monitoring contains periodic bloodwork and MRIs.
So she says after they have been selecting this plan, they requested concerning the physician, concerning the exams, concerning the drugs, all their suppliers.
She says the gross sales rep for this plan advised them, Sure. That’s all lined.
Sarah Strohmenger: You already know, it sounded nice, lined all the things that we wanted.
Dan: Joe and Sarah paid about 87 hundred {dollars} upfront— a reduction for a full yr’s protection.
However Sarah says as soon as they tried really utilizing the plan, issues went south. She says their pharmacist advised her Joe’s drugs wasn’t lined, and Joe’s physician stated his visits weren’t lined both.
And he or she says payments arrived that she didn’t anticipate.
Sarah Strohmenger: We have been getting blood work payments again within the mail, for like $4,000 at a pop at a time, 3000.
Dan: In response to the Bloomberg story, Joe known as the corporate they’d purchased the coverage from— and reached a man who stated upgrading their plan would repair all the things. They finally paid 20 thousand {dollars} for insurance coverage that also didn’t cowl what they wanted.
Sarah says she thinks in addition they ended up on the hook for 10 to fifteen thousand {dollars} in medical payments.
Sarah Strohmenger: Inside like six months, we stopped going to medical doctors.
Dan: They couldn’t afford to.
Sarah Strohmenger: We simply have been like, if we find yourself within the hospital, we’re principally screwed, you recognize? So Joe stopped going to all of his physician’s appointments, he stopped taking his treatment, and it was unhealthy.
Dan: In the meantime, Sarah says in addition they complained to state regulators concerning the firm that bought them this coverage.
The regulators wrote again, saying: We’ve by no means licensed or accredited this entity. So… sorry. Sarah was like, Wait, WHAT?
Sarah Strohmenger: I lived in a paradox that I didn’t know existed for a yr. My thoughts was blown.
Dan: I’m telling you — it’s REALLY bizarre. I’ve seen the letter, that’s what it says. And no: It’s not like there’s another state workplace Sarah was supposed to jot down to. I checked.
Sarah says she and Joe took authorized motion towards the advertising and marketing firm, however they haven’t recovered any cash. She says they paid off all of the payments. And he or she says they signed up for a plan on New York’s Obamacare market, which has been masking what they want.
However she by no means understood what the heck had occurred — the character of the hustle — till she despatched her story as a tip to Bloomberg Information, and Zach Mider bought in contact.
Because it occurred, he’d been digging into precisely this type of hustle.
Which has, I’ve to say, simply an incredible variety of layers and twists. Beginning right here:
When Zach checked out Sarah and Joe’s insurance coverage playing cards, he seen one thing that they’d missed.
The identify of a GROUP on the prime — like as if this was a bunch plan, such as you’d get out of your job.
And that was a key to the entire association. That group — Outreach Information Companions Restricted Partnership — is just not an insurance coverage firm.
As Zach places it, their authorized stance is: They haven’t bought insurance coverage to Sarah and Joe — or anyone else. That’s not the connection.
Zach Mider: They’re claiming they’ve an employer-employee relationship with the individuals who purchase well being plans from them, and due to this fact, the entire state insurance coverage legal guidelines don’t apply.
Dan: Now, first: It’s really true that for most individuals who get well being advantages from their employer — like two-thirds — state insurance coverage legal guidelines don’t apply. Plenty of employers function plans regulated by the federal Division of Labor.
Which Zach says is how Outreach Information Companions arrange the plan Sarah and Joe purchased.
All of which was information to Sarah and Joe.
Zach Mider: They simply thought they have been shopping for medical insurance.
Dan: And in the event that they’re staff right here, what was the JOB speculated to be?
Zach Mider: Yeah, that’s an amazing query. So, there may be some work that’s speculated to be executed.
Dan: OK, strap in: Zach says to start out with, in principle, the corporate provides you a particular browser to make use of in your cellphone.
Zach Mider: The concept is if you wish to go do one thing on the web, you employ this particular browser they usually’re gathering information about individuals’s shopping habits which then they’ll flip round and promote that info to advertisers.
Dan: In order that’s the “job”: By utilizing this browser, you’re producing worth for the corporate— you’re working for them. Joe and Sarah advised Zach they by no means bought any particular browser. And naturally there’s one other factor they could have anticipated to get from a job, ANY job: A paycheck.
And right here’s how Zach says that absence will get defined.
Zach Mider: These information corporations have been described to me as kind of, they’re startups, proper?
Dan: And right here’s the place the total identify of this firm comes into play: ?Outreach Information Companions Restricted Partnership. On paper, Joe and Sarah aren’t mere staff, they’re … restricted companions— half homeowners. However in an organization that hasn’t began making a living but.
Zach Mider: Perhaps they’ve a millionth share of the corporate. And so if the corporate begins making some huge cash, they’ll get a verify.
Dan: I don’t suppose Joe and Sarah are holding their breath for a verify from Outreach Information Companions.
In response to the Bloomberg story the corporate doesn’t have a public-facing web site, and LinkedIn doesn’t checklist any staff. However the story additionally says that in a authorities submitting the corporate claims 4,800 staff.
Zach and Zeke checked out the corporate’s headquarters: Field 371 at a UPS retailer in an Atlanta strip mall — between a dry cleaner and a Vietnamese restaurant.
They discovered greater than a dozen different corporations utilizing the identical mailbox as their tackle — corporations with names like Shopper Information Companions. All advised, their story says these corporations declare greater than 30,000 staff.
And when Zach and Zeke began calling individuals linked to these corporations, they ended up speaking with the man who appears to have invented what they name this fake-jobs healthcare setup.
A man named Invoice Bryan.
Zach Mider: Invoice Bryan, was a fairly profitable sitcom author within the eighties and nineties. He wrote for Evening Court docket
Decide from Evening Court docket: What’s up Mac?
Mack from Evening Court docket: A bit of case of disturbing the piece at a Star Trek conference, sir.
Zach Mider: And Coach
Craig Nelson: I didn’t lose the sport. The group misplaced the sport. I didn’t.
Zach Mider: And he wrote for a bunch of others. After which he does some actual property offers. He will get concerned in another investments. He finally ends up being a reasonably rich man and searching for new issues to put money into, and comes throughout the thought of doing one thing with well being plans.
Dan: ?Zach says, the thought was this: Obamacare had imposed requirements on plenty of medical insurance. Minimal stuff that needed to be lined. Hospitalization. Psychological well being companies. Prescribed drugs. However masking all that stuff is pricey. It means premiums might be excessive, even with subsidies. And deductibles might be super-high: 1000’s of {dollars}.
So Invoice Bryan thought…
Zach Mider: perhaps if there was a approach of designing a product that was authorized. That lined much less stuff than Obamacare, however nonetheless gave individuals what they wished. You already know? Um, it’s a free nation. Perhaps individuals ought to have the ability to resolve what sort of healthcare they wanna purchase and never have to fulfill all these minimal requirements that perhaps they’re not fascinated about.
Dan: So the plan that Sarah and Joe bought bought, Zach says it doesn’t meet these minimal requirements. He says it covers like three physician visits a yr, a few lab companies, and never so much else.
Zach Mider: No protection for hospitalization, no cowl for emergency room visits. There’s a prescription or there’s a pharmacy profit, nevertheless it solely covers generics.
Dan: Zach says Invoice Bryan actually thinks: that’s a product any individual would possibly choose to an Obamacare plan with a excessive deductible. Below the Reasonably priced Care Act, you’ll be able to’t promote that product as insurance coverage. Really, if in case you have plenty of staff, you’ll be able to’t provide it to them both.
However as a health-insurance legislation skilled at Georgetown advised me: You might perhaps provide it to OWNERS of your organization.
So by making individuals like Joe and Sarah LIMITED PARTNERS, perhaps you possibly can provide them this type of super-stripped-down well being plan legally.
Zach says: Invoice Bryan thinks of this as a approach to repair an issue he sees with Obamacare: Full protection is simply too costly for some individuals.
Zach Mider: He’s a really sensible man, and so through the years he’s needed to combat so much for this, and I believe that’s solely type of strengthened his conviction that it will be a corrective to the Obamacare system to have one thing that’s extra inexpensive and extra accessible for individuals to get.
Dan:After all, that’s not what Joe and Sarah wished – value wasn’t their prime concern. They wanted insurance coverage that lined their suppliers, their therapies, their exams, their meds. That’s what they thought they have been paying for.
I requested Zach and Zeke, what does Invoice Bryan say concerning the type of factor that occurred to Joe and Sarah?
Zach Mider: So it, it’s actually essential to level out right here that like Invoice Bryan didn’t promote the plan to Joe and Sarah. You already know, he doesn’t do the decision facilities, proper? These salespeople are all type of impartial operators who’re primarily simply promoting these things for a fee. And so, he definitely doesn’t defend anyone deceptive a buyer.
Dan: In response to Bloomberg’s story, Bryan stated he had reduce ties with the company that bought Joe and Sarah their plan — years in the past.
And when he was advised that the company had bought the couple one in every of his plans way more not too long ago, Bryan stated, “That’s completely information to me. I simply don’t have something extra to say about any of those motherfuckers.”
Zeke Fake: After we have been speaking with Bryan, although…
Dan: That’s Zach’s reporting companion, Zeke Fake.
Zeke Fake: …he and his colleagues have been fairly evasive about precisely how these plans are bought.
Dan: Zeke says the way in which the plans are bought — particularly, the large fee charges for salespeople — was one of many causes he and Zach bought on this story within the first place.
Zeke Fake: Mainly, the share of regardless of the buyer’s paying that’s going to the salesperson and the varied middlemen concerned is so excessive that it’s type of laborious to think about that the shopper may very well be getting deal.
Dan: Even when the plan was low cost. Zach had pulled some information, crunched some numbers. The Bloomberg story says— at the very least in some instances— all these commissions and costs added as much as 74 % of what individuals like Joe and Sarah paid for these plans.
Zach Mider: If an individual’s paying a greenback nearly 74 cents is gonna go to fee to different varied middlemen and no matter and solely 26 cents is left for really going into the pool from which medical care is paid out of.
Dan: 26 cents for medical care. So, simply to check. Obamacare requires insurance coverage to spend at the very least 80 cents of each greenback on medical care.
Every little thing else — your gross sales operation, all of your admin prices — together with the individuals who deny claims— and your CEO’s pay, and your earnings — has to return out of that remaining 20 cents.
With Invoice Bryan’s plans, Zach’s numbers present that ratio can get nearly flipped: 26 cents for medical care. 74 cents for commissions, charges, all the things else
Zeke says: They introduced these points as much as Invoice Bryan.
Zeke Fake: And after we tried to ask about that, Bryan and his colleagues pleaded ignorance, as if it was probably not their enterprise how the salesmen bought paid.
Dan: And this can be a large, large theme on this story: There’s no SINGLE entity doing all of this. It’s a sequence of various gamers, and every one can blame the others.
Invoice Bryan blamed the gross sales outfit for what occurred to Joe and Sarah.
And that firm? Their CEO advised Zach and Zeke that Outreach Information Companions screwed up, denying claims for the Strohmengers that ought to’ve been paid. And because the Bloomberg story stories: Invoice Bryan dismissed that notion.
However there are extra hyperlinks on this chain than that. As an example, Outreach Information Companions — the corporate that theoretically made Joe and Sarah restricted companions?
Invoice Bryan doesn’t run it. He doesn’t run ANY of the businesses that make use of 30,000 individuals from a mailbox in an Atlanta strip mall.
Which isn’t to say that he has nothing to do with them. That’s subsequent.
This episode of An Arm and a Leg is produced in partnership with KFF Well being Information. That’s a nonprofit newsroom masking well being points in America. Their journalists do wonderful work. We’re honored to be their colleagues.
So, Invoice Bryan appears to be the mastermind behind what Bloomberg calls these 30,000 fake-jobs, and the well being plans they provide.
However no, he doesn’t run the information corporations behind these jobs. That might be unlawful.
Zach Mider: The info corporations themselves wouldn’t be allowed underneath federal labor legislation to show a revenue on these well being plans.
Dan: I imply, that appears like legislation: Your boss isn’t speculated to earn money by promoting you a well being plan.
Zach Mider: So it’s all very segregated. They’re very cautious to say these information corporations are separate from us. The info corporations are using these individuals and they’re sponsoring these well being plans. And Invoice Bryan’s function is he runs a collection of distributors which supplies companies to the information corporations.
Dan: Companies like … operating a well being plan! Which, for a traditional firm, is a traditional association.
Keep in mind how we stated: Plenty of employer well being plans — ones tied to regular jobs— are exempt from state insurance coverage legal guidelines?
The way in which these plans are arrange, the employer usually hires a vendor — usually a giant insurance coverage firm, like Blue Cross or Aetna — to run their well being plan.
These information corporations, as a substitute of hiring Aetna to manage a well being plan — for his or her 30 thousand “restricted companions” — they’re hiring an organization that Invoice Bryan occurs to run.
Zach Mider: I believe he’s executed a fairly good job of maintaining these items formally separate, proper? So he’s not formally in management. He doesn’t personal the information corporations, doesn’t formally direct their actions.
Dan: However Zach says: Invoice Bryan appears to have had a hand in getting them arrange. So they may provide well being plans. That he might run.
Zach Mider: I believe it’s honest to say that this was his and his companion’s concept, this complete type of assemble. However he’s tried fairly laborious to, as a proper matter, make it compliant with federal labor legislation.
Zeke Fake: I really feel like we must always name the information corporations and be like, hey, I can see that you’ve plenty of complaints about your well being plan. It could be hurting recruiting. You already know, would you want to change to Aetna? Then we might discover out if, uh — how impartial they’re.
Dan: That’s Zeke once more, and yeah: He and Zach wrote of their story that they discovered HUNDREDS of complaints to the Federal Commerce Fee, and the Higher Enterprise Bureau, and Apple’s App retailer about well being plans tied to pretend jobs.
A graphic that goes with their story exhibits dozens of quotes, like: This complete factor seems like a giant rip-off that I fell for.
And: I can’t think about I’m the one one who has been lied to and principally stolen from.
And: Keep away in any respect prices.
Which raises a giant query: Is any of this actually authorized? Isn’t there somebody regulating it?
Zach says Invoice Bryan needs solutions to these questions too.
Seven years in the past, an information firm the Bloomberg story describes as “allied with Bryan” went to the Labor Division for clarification— and validation. Mainly, they stated:
Zach Mider: We would like you to log out on this and make sure to everybody within the market that that is legit. That these are actual staff, these restricted companion staff who’re downloading the net browser are actual staff, and that due to this fact we are able to promote ’em, these well being plans with none drawback. And the Division of Labor when push got here to shove stated, no, these aren’t staff. You’re simply attempting to promote insurance coverage.
Dan: Bryan’s allies went to courtroom to combat again.
Zach Mider: And so they’re nonetheless combating over all of it these a few years later. That was 2018 after they have been first attempting to get this opinion. And um, now it’s 2025 and it’s nonetheless unresolved.
Dan: ?Right here’s what’s occurred to date: A district choose dominated towards the Labor Division, calling its opinion “arbitrary and capricious.” An appeals courtroom later agreed with that conclusion, however despatched the case again to the district courtroom to rethink different particulars, together with: what ought to occur subsequent.
Zach Mider: So the way in which it stands, it’s actually in a type of unusual limbo, the place the Division of Labor actually doesn’t get to say, these are legit, or these aren’t whereas we look ahead to the litigation to play out. Nevertheless it does open the door for different individuals like Invoice Bryan to return into {the marketplace} and begin promoting this type of stuff.
Dan: And it appears like they’ve. The Bloomberg story has a chart, displaying the variety of households enrolled in “pretend jobs” plans. After the appeals courtroom dominated towards the labor division, the numbers greater than doubled.
And in the meantime, NOBODY is regulating these plans. They’re not conventional insurance coverage, so state insurance coverage departments don’t have jurisdiction. So with the federal case on maintain, individuals like Sarah and Joe have nobody to show to.
In a letter to the editor that Bloomberg printed, Invoice Bryan blames what occurred to individuals like Sarah and Joe on the Labor Division, for not validating his mannequin.
“If the division stepped up and performed its correct function,” he wrote, “the fraud reported in your story might have very nicely been prevented.”
He added: “At a minimal, it will give victims someplace to hunt recourse.”
So: all people’s bought any individual else guilty.
Which is among the themes that connects Invoice Bryan’s story with a very WILD story that Zeke traced to Florida. One which doesn’t begin out sounding prefer it has something to do with medical insurance.
In 2024, he writes, “should you have been poor and on-line, sure advertisements have been in every single place you regarded.”
These advertisements featured superstar deepfakes — promising 6 thousand 4 hundred {dollars}, should you name a sure cellphone quantity.
Zeke Fake: I imply, it appears prefer it’s Taylor Swift, and he or she’s saying…
Faux Taylor Swift: Keep in mind these stimulus checks? Effectively, there’s a brand new factor going viral.
Zeke Fake: Or it’s Dr. Phil and he’s saying..
Faux Dr. Phil: They’re giving out $6,400 to anybody who makes the decision
Zeke Fake: Or Andrew Tate saying…
Faux Andrew Tate: Should you don’t act now, you’re principally throwing away $6,400. That’s simply silly.
Zeke Fake: And these advertisements didn’t even, they could briefly point out medical insurance or perhaps they don’t say medical insurance in any respect.
Dan: However should you known as that quantity, you’d find yourself speaking with somebody able to signal you up for medical insurance.
Signal you up so rapidly that… you may not have any concept that’s what had simply occurred.
Or, for that matter, that no, you wouldn’t be getting 64 hundred bucks to spend.
This story goes in some WILD instructions, however right here’s how Zeke describes the reference to the fake-jobs saga.
Zeke Fake: in reporting each of those tales, I believe what we discovered is that there’s type of a subculture of name middle operators who’ve turned what looks like a fairly boring enterprise promoting medical insurance right into a get wealthy fast type of operation.
Dan: The decision facilities, the telemarketers. That’s the connection— Bloomberg paired these tales underneath the heading “Well being Care Hustlers.”And people hustlers are at all times searching for a special approach.
Which is to say: Zeke and Zach’s tales reinforce a giant Arm and a Leg rule:
If the web leads you to a cellphone name with somebody who says they’ve bought a GREAT medical insurance deal for you… be very, very suspicious.
And lots of people can be searching for offers on medical insurance.
Through the Biden Administration, Congress added more-generous subsidies to Obamacare plans, which made them extra inexpensive.
Until Congress re-ups them quickly— which appears unlikely— these further subsidies will expire this yr.
Individuals will search for alternate options, and these name facilities will provide them.
In a approach, it’s again to the long run:
The primary Trump Administration loosened sure guidelines, making it simpler to promote short-term plans that didn’t meet Obamacare requirements. Zeke says he reported on the outcomes again then.
Zeke Fake: I spoke with individuals who had purchased these plans after which had medical emergencies and been caught with 50 or 100 thousand greenback payments, so we’ll be — we’re kinda watching to see what new merchandise emerge or what these name facilities begin promoting.
Dan: And in the meantime, simply — look: Don’t purchase insurance coverage over the cellphone from any individual you’ve by no means met. Don’t hassle with google. Healthcare dot gov. That’s principally it.
What you’ll discover there, I’m not saying you’ll adore it. It’s in all probability gonna value greater than you wish to pay, and deductibles will possible be excessive.
However though subsidies for Obamacare plans aren’t AS beneficiant this yr, they nonetheless exist. And these insurance policies are regulated. The rest… like Sarah Strohmenger stated, it’s a free-for-all. And there are some hustlers on the market.
In the meantime: the Trump Administration and Congress have each arrange modifications to the ACA marketplaces — administrative hassles that may make it tougher to get, and maintain, your protection.
The time to start out planning for it’s now. And we’re gonna have some assist for you, beginning with subsequent week’s First Support Package publication.
My colleague Claire Davenport has been digging into these modifications, what they imply for all of us, and the way we are able to begin making ready.
You may join on our web site at armandalegshow dot com, slash, first assist package.
By the way in which: We simply launched a brand new model of our web site — with a model new function: Starter Packs.
Right here’s the place we carry collectively our greatest reporting on questions you want solutions to, like: How do I store for medical insurance?
We’ll have a hyperlink wherever you’re listening,
and we’ll be again with a brand new episode in a number of weeks.
Till then, care for your self.
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